update: chris mcgill has responded to some confusion caused by the initial press release. check out what he has to say.
this is a response to marshall kirkpatrick’s recent look at mixx.
when i first read that mixx had been busy making deals with mainstream news outlets such as usa today, reuters, la times, and the weather channel, i naturally assumed that the deals were similar to the one digg recently made with the wall street journal. but when dave cohn, my friend and co-worker at propeller, pointed out that the mixx deal went far beyond that, that’s when i had to take a look at the fine print.
what does the mixx deal entail?
matt marshall has broken down the details of the deal and one particular point is especially worrisome:
…times’ content will be “optimized” for searches from within the mixx site, suggesting results will be biased toward returning la times stories.
what this means is that when you search for content from within mixx, you won’t be getting the best possible results, or the socially driven or personally relevant results, but paid results from la times.
why is this bad?
this is problematic because this goes against the fundamental principle of socially driven news and the main purpose of mixx. mixx is supposed to be a response to editorially driven news, but is supposed to be better than other social news sites because of the power of it’s individual user based recommendation engine. i understand that thus far the editorially sponsored results are only in the search results, but i do feel that dave is right in pointing out that this could be a slippery slope for mixx.
for comparison purposes
in addition, i also wanted to examine some of the other points that marshall raises because i feel that people are unfairly comparing mixx to digg while they should be comparing it specifically to propeller, reddit, and stumbleupon, since realistically speaking they should be aiming for a top 5 spot (#1 not included). that said, here’s a comparison with propeller (the one that i know best out of the bunch):
- openid login system: already implemented by propeller
- off-site submission bookmarklets: these bookmarklets already exist for digg, propeller, and reddit. in the case of digg it’s not a first-party bookmarklet but the community has created one. there is also a right-click contextual menu submission plugin for firefox users (70% of digg audience).
- personal start-page: was implemented at my.netscape.com but subsequently removed because not many people were using it. upcoming site upgrade will make it redundant anyway.
- photos and videos sections: n/a
- tagging: already implemented by propeller.
- groups: coming in future propeller release.
- point-of-submission checks: propeller checks story urls and story titles at point of submission without even requiring an action from the user. furthermore, once you click check story, it shows potentially related or similar stories to compare your submission with.
- bury accountability: propeller has had bury accountability for a long time now.
- changing votes: propeller allows you to vote and un-vote as many times as you want.
mixx certainly has a good set of features, but they should really be careful in the what kinds of deals they make. if they start killing off their social aspects in favor of sponsored results, then they’re playing a completely different game. and even with the features, the community has a long way to go.
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true mr saleem, but in working for AOL you are still an agent of the devil. heh. keep doing what yo doing and dont lose sight of where u came from. if this was the way it worked at digg before you started out youd never be where you are now. remember that. we liked your content but it doesnt mean we want u to sell out.
good luck.
RandomVandal: Something else I wrote on my blog post - to distinguish the difference between what is going on at Propeller and Mixx:
“At Propeller money gets involved, yes: They pay scouts to submit news: but we are not paid to submit news from any one source - there are no editorial guidelines about what to submit. More importantly - we are NOT allowed to submit content from our own sites and have that count towards our quota. Finally: The community still is in control - voting stories up and down.”
Mixx’s deal is of a different nature from anything else out there — from what I can tell.
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Mixx is pretty to look at, that’s all. As you point out, Propeller’s got almost all those and other things.
Also, what ever happened to coRank? It pioneered the “my front page is determined based on who I want” which I believe is the answer to many of Digg’s pains, but nobody’s talking about it anymore.
Good post, point taken. Thanks. 😉
Hey Muhammad,
Great bit of journalism btw. Chris McGill founder of Mixx.com plans on releasing a blog post covering points brought up by both yourself and Dave. Judging from a comment he left on Mixx he is taking the stance that it is not bias and is just tagging the stories a certain way. I am not exactly sure what the post will contain, but Chris is very involved with his Mixx users and is great at letting us know what is going on. Great article, love the Drill Down, take it easy! 🙂
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thanks for pointing this out M,
once again the most important aspect of a site is disregarded.
the entire advantage of a news voting site is to find news that other human users have deemed important.
so dirtying that formula or contaminating the votes of their community is crazy. thats the last thing they should be messing with
if they are gonna be biased towards the la times, why should we go to mixx instead of the la times?
and as a marketer i am well aware of the preferential treatment media outlets give their advertisers. but news voting sites were supposed to clean up or eliminate some of these issues… i guess not then